Overall, the response is what I expected. You have a lot of people who like it and would get involved with it and then you have the people who say it is too obvious. It is basically exactly the response I expected except that I got a lot more positives than I thought. Here is the thing, many people say that it is not a “flag” or doesn’t look like other fetish symbols or logos but that is not what this community is about. I don’t consider the ABDL community like ANY other community – I think we are unique. We are not a fetish per se – we are a unique lifestyle. I don’t think there is any other community like ours…fetishes are more sexual but for a vast majority of the ABDL community – it is not all sexual, it is more about comfort, security, the feeling, the look, the crinkle, and the list goes on. Adoption of a symbol is not going to be easy nor fluent among the whole community. But, I think it is important to at least throw one out there. Everyone is going to have their own suggestion but until one is actually thrown into the community and people start embracing it – nothing will ever come to fruition.
People in the ABDL community range from people who never talk about ABDL stuff to the openly and free people who let everyone know. Everyone has their identification within the community and own way of representing themselves. The thing about this logo is its UNIQUE, not completely obvious, represents for the most part our colors, designed well, and more. If you are more discreet than a possible keychain, pin, or something along those lines is more fitting to you that is not very obvious but you at least feel you are showing some pride. For the most non-discreet then maybe a bumper sticker, window sticker, t-shirt, or something along those lines. There are tons of ways of showing your pride that don’t have to be blatant. But, many say they could do without the diaper on it but then a symbol without any sort of relation to the diaper is not accurate in my opinion. It is not completely obvious and can easily be explained away. But, what binds the 99% of the ABDL community – DIAPERS. Yeh, you have the little girls, little boys, daddies, mommies, diaper girls, diaper boys, and the list goes on. But, think about it…what binds almost everyone of those subgroups together somehow – DIAPERS. Regardless of how you spin it – diapers are the common interest and defining point in this community whether you are an AB or DL – diapers are the ultimate babyish item.
No logo or symbol is perfect – but I think this one comes decently close to being somewhat discreet but recognizable in the community. On that note, myself and few of my ABDL friends will begin a way of promoting this symbol and hopefully the community slowly embraces it. If not, then so be it…but we are going to give it a try. It must start somewhere..
Very well written, good luck on your quest. I would love to see this on the bumpers of some cars in the future.
FYI: One symbol is already out there (since 2005): http://www.abdlscandinavia.com/abdlflag
I for one like to keep my DL-thing private (not mixing any AB or just B into it) and I don’t need any symbol or logo to give that away.
We all have our different approaches to the use of diapers. Some medical, some fetish, some just comfort, the feel of it, the smell, the crinkle, some mix of it all… It’s hard to squeeze all these reasons for wearing under one umbrella symbol. Another obstacle besides design is to create consensus worldwide about this one symbol. Good luck anyway.
Adrian, what you are doing is great! I, myself, do believe that it is a bit obvious, but what I really love is the sense of togetherness your creating. The way you wrote this post was amazing. I couldn’t help but feel closer to the community. I generally think I am alone in my lifestyle (even thought the thousands of people who are like me) because I never talk about it nor really take pride in it. Reading your post just made me feel so much better about the community and myself. Thank you so much for what you do for all of us! And keep us updated on the progress of this. Despite it being a bit obvious, I will still proudly wear it somewhere! Thank you so so so much!
dprdk i honestly can say i would never fly that flag people are worried about this one giving it away that flag of a diaper pin and a side of a diaper would give more away if you asked me. i do like your symbol i wont lie not big on the colors but at the same time i like them. same for the one shes made on here. i wouldn’t mind having hers as a key chain or a sticker or something. i don’t think that we have to keep it so hidden be proud of who you are. id be happy to have a symbol and hell id be happy to let the world know that i am a abdl and i am damn proud of it. its who i am and it defines me. if people don’t like it to bad. doesn’t mean i am going to go out and wear baby cloths or just a diaper but i wont hide who i truely am.
either way i think its damn near time we got a foot print into the world and show who we are and be proud of it.
i always feel our community is like that of the gay,lesbian, transgendered people where not so long ago they didn’t talk about it they were embarrassed and now the world knows and they are damn proud of it. i think its time we take that step.
personaly when you think logo its normally something small and easy to remember. not trying to incorperate a hudge message just the name or feeling one gets. You were on the right track with your symbol. That flag is honestly not worth healthy conversation cause with everything it has it has more to explain. Take the American flag; everything on that flag down to color and selection of where something goes has signifigant importance. now for logos lets do one everyone knows as an example. Internet Explorer; its simple and effective. it has the E to represent Explorer the main part of your message. and a thing going around it to represent global or globallly connected. nothing more but it stands for something and reprents something. Diaper loving is diffrent from the lifestyle of abdl but within the same ball park. In retro spec were dealing with the same sport. To say its not sexual like a fetish is kinda off as to some people it is a means of sexual expression, to some a life choice, to some a desireable need, and to some product they learned to love after it be. to cover a mass group of people as a cutural icon it has to be something everyone follows. you did relize this when the icon displayed a diaper. try something simple. suggestions. Focus of the icon maybe just be a D- would of sayed DL but its more then that to some-. Then have something uniting the community with it. all icons, logos, and even flags have a focus thats bold and its surroundings which are to there to increase teh message but mainly to emphasize the focus.
The flag is not a production of mine, and you’re absolutely right – it not near as discrete as the first proposal from Adrian. My point was merely, that
a) One symbol/logo was created in 2005 (subsidiary: the more symbols for the same community – the less “community” behind the symbol(s).
b) One logo gathering both ABs, DLs and both, should balance between the both and embrace the big common values the two fractions have; the diaper.
If the ambition with the logo is to be a worldwide symbol, I would avoid letters and focus on a simple, graphic, iconic expression – preferably in B/W. That way it’ll be easier to reproduce 🙂
Despite my concerns for worldwide competition, I might even submit a little sketch myself! Why don’t we all, btw? 😉
It always makes me a bit uncomfortable when people claim that ABDL isn’t a fetish. Keep in mind that this is exactly what all those creepy old guys on MySpace who add children as their friends say. ABDL is an ADULT interest and should be kept as such.
penny i can understand what your saying but i can honetsly say for me its more a a longing and a need than a sexual thing. remember a fetish is “Something nonsexual, such as an object or a part of the body which arouses sexual desire or is necessary for one to reach full sexual satisfaction” or “A sexual fixation on a concept, object, or body part. A person with a fetish feels a compulsive need to use the object in order to obtain sexual gratification, and cannot achieve plewp_e without it” either way the same thing. but for me and many others out there its not sexual so to us its not a fetish since fetish is a sexual object needed for plewp_e.
yes but the fact it gives one sexual plessure even without any acts of sex makes it sexual. fetishes always involve an erotic nature. people overcome with urges to embrace there sexual needs. that would make it a fetish. a foot fetish to be example is a foot that to some is treated as a very sexual body part. even without sex something can be sexual
true it can be sexual eithey way. but what i am trying to say is that for some it isnt sexual in any nature. for me i wear for comfort and need. nothing sexual but maybe i am just crazy
Just scanning over your blog Adrian and saw this post and decided to ad my 2cents (great blog!). I have been wanting a symbol myself. One that is confidential but that can easily be searched by like minded people. My purpose for this symbol is so we can post it in social networks on normal, non ABDL profiles, that would let other know, “hey, i wear diapers, but don’t want everybody to know and if you have a none ABDL profile, maybe we can be friends”, anyway. I was thinking maybe a text symbol, sort of like the copy write one or TM symbol. Then if someone asks, what’s that, you can say, oh it must be a typo or computer glitch or something like that. Too obvious would be AB or DL. Anyway, I dunno what it could be but will keep thinking.
I have had the same ideas. Taking diapers mainstream and making some kind.d of symbol to recognize someone else in this unique lifestyle of ours. I would be more than happy to wear or show the symbol. Your gave me and others hope and courage Adrian. Thank you for all your hard work. And if there’s anything I can do to help or participate then please let me know.